Jay Feldman  0:00  
The whole video is an ad, like that is influencer BS. What do you think influencer BS is? Again, it just seems that he doesn't pay attention to anything about his food at all, other than the macros, the fiber, and calories. I think that's really it.

Mike Fave  0:12  
It's almost like his food choices are for are based on his feelings over facts. Like, just don't justify it. I want to eat these foods. This is what I want to eat. I'm not thinking about these other areas, and I hit my macros. That's that would be a fair assessment. So I do a really good job of eating processed foods. I get an apple in there, and I add enough protein, and maybe I get a bunch of fiber, and it's isolated fibers. But I'm consistent. That's that's the most important thing.

Theresa Piela  0:39  
Welcome to the Bioenergetic View. I'm your host Teresa Piella, joined as always by Jay Feldman and Mike Fave. Today we will be talking about what Layne Norton eats in a day, what we think of his food choices and his macros, and whether his videos actually free of influencer bull like he advertised, and hopefully closing out the show. Definitely closing out the show with a success story. Let's get started. And oh my goodness, we've pulled up some ridiculous clips, but these these are these are going up there, stealing the show in terms of the ridiculousness. I think most of our listeners will know who Layne Norton is. I remember the first time I heard about him was also through you guys, and he was commenting on I think a Dave Asprey video and talking about how seed oils are fine and we're making a big deal about nothing, but he continues to impress me with his his wildness, and his full day of eating is no exception. So let's jump in with some of his clips.

Speaker 1  1:54  
What's up, guys? Gonna do a full day of eating. I've never covered this on my YouTube channel before. I don't think so. I'm gonna show you how I really eat no like prefabricated BS, no elaborate meals that I never actually eat. Just done to impress you. I'm going to show you what I really eat on a day-to-day basis. What is actually normal for me?

Theresa Piela  2:18  
And and Jay, did you want to comment on that initial one, or do you want to just go straight into what he starts sharing?

Jay Feldman  2:25  
Well, so just to be clear, the title of the video is "Full Day of Eating, No Influencer BS. You can see the text on the screen saying that. Obviously, he started off that way, and it's that's important context to have, and also the context that he shared, which was that this is what he always eats in a day. That's what he's saying. This isn't like doctored up. This is his typical day of eating, which is yeah, just important context as we as we move through the next videos.

Theresa Piela  2:53  
Thank you, Jay. All right, let's let's see what he's eating.

Speaker 1  2:58  
I woke up a little bit late today, so I'm just trying to get started work, and usually for breakfast I eat something quick. And today I'm having a couple David bars because I want to get started with work, and that's quick. Now I would never tell anybody, hey, protein bars are better than real food. I would never say that, but in this case I just want to get going, and so picking this to get my protein in. But if I had gotten up a little bit earlier, I probably would have gotten some whole food. But I got some really good sleep, so that's a good trade-off.

Theresa Piela  3:31  
Okay, we've got the David bars. Let's see what's next.

Speaker 1  3:36  
Comes in a nice bag. I'm really excited about these to try these out and see what they taste like. All right, we're gonna try the spicy Mexican style huevos rancheros because pre-workout, good amount of carbs, not too high in fat, and good source of protein. So let's give it a shot. So I had the huevos rancheros, and it was actually really, really good. That was very good for a home-delivered refrigerated meal that you just warm up. One of the best I've had, to be honest. So shout out to Cook Unity for first experience so far. Very good, but I need some extra carbohydrates because, like I said, I'm about to go train, so I've gotten something here a little bit non-traditional that y'all might not expect. Some simple carbohydrates, honeycomb cereal, and the quote-unquote milk is Pioneer Pastures protein shake. So there's like an extra 20 gram for protein in there because I use like two thirds of a shake. I know people will say, "Oh my God, seed oils and this and that and whatever. Listen, simple carbohydrates right before training. It's going to help me perform.

Theresa Piela  4:53  
Okay, we got the honeycomb protein bash. Let's watch one more before we.

Speaker 1  5:00  
Okay, so just finished training and gonna try out another one of these Cook Unity meals. So we got buffalo fried chicken thighs. Excited for this, and the macro is actually for fried chicken thighs. Aren't too bad. Fat's a little high, 21 grams, but 30 grams of protein, 21 grams of carbs. So excited to give these a try. I love me some some fried chicken, and following that up with an apple because just serving fruit and vegetables in today, and get some post-workout carbohydrate in.

Theresa Piela  5:37  
I gotta say, at least watching his his intake so far, it's got me smiling. It's it's bringing some humor and delight to my day. Mike, what was your reaction when when Jay brought these videos to us?

Mike Fave  5:52  
I would say I think this is just typical for like somebody who runs it. If it's your macros, there's not really a a focus so much on food quality or nutrient density or anything like this is just purely about macros, with the exception of that, and it's even worse. So it's even worse with like some of the options. For example, like the David bars, those are like I don't even know is that even food. It's essentially like a protein isolate blend, but then the the flavoring agent of it is a bunch of artificial sweeteners, and then the fat component of it is a modified form of fat that's supposed to be made to be less absorbable, if I remember correctly. So, and then the the actual like texture and structure of the bar is synthetic added fibers. So it's not it's like a food product. It's not it's it's not really a nutrient dense food. You just protein powder and a bunch of things that make it into a bar and give it some texture and some flavor. So that's an interesting first choice for a meal. But again, if the context is that if it fits your macros and like of course, well, it has protein and it doesn't have so much fat or or so much carbs, so it's probably fine. And then the as far as like the other meals, like no problem with the apple, and I don't, I don't even have a problem with him doing the pre-made meals that the the microwavable meals that he ordered that can be frozen or stored in the refrigerator. I've had clients do that if they're like, look, I'm not going to cook, I don't have time to cook, I'm busy. You can get there's some companies out there. I don't know this specific one, but there's companies out there where the the actual ingredients and the food structure is not bad, and it can be quite helpful for somebody to eat well while they're on the go or they have like a busy lifestyle. So that's fine. The apple's fine, and then the honeycomb cereal is interesting. You know, it's like not really great ingredients, not really great nutrition profile. The added vitamins and minerals that get put into there are probably some of the worst forms of things that you would use: folic acid, diamine, mononitrate, or reduced iron. Those are all suboptimal things. So I would say, like, sure, he hits his macros, but from an overall health standpoint, a portion of his selection I think is like pretty pretty much subpar, and the thing is, is the argument is well, I don't have time to, or typically the argument is, and I think it's in this video. I with all the stuff I do, I don't have time to eat well, and I can say like you don't need to eat honeycomb cereal and David bars if because you don't have enough time. There's much better options that you can set up, even with whole food structure for the diet, to make this work. And I know this personally because I also I also train, I also work quite a bit of hours, and I also have a family. And I still don't eat how like some of these options. I don't eat some of these food options because I actually fundamentally care about the type of food that I eat, the quality of food that I eat, etc. and I think that if for people in general who are focused on their health, I think the types of foods and quality of foods that you eat is important. And I also think macros are important. I also think total energy intake is important and how it's organized across the day. And Layne's focus sends me just leverage whatever the caloric intake is and the macro intake is, and I think a gap in the perspective here. He doesn't directly say it, but it's implied by the video. Is this lack of focus on the food quality things that he does, and it's almost like his statements are trying to make up for that. And this is even outside of a seed oils context. This is like why you you know you're you're promoting health online, you're helping people to, or your goals to help people change their body composition, whatever the deal is.

So, like these options are are don't make sense for that. Is for from a health context, and even from a like optimizing body composition, I think that this is still not the way to go. There's definitely better options than than some of the things that were chosen, and you see someone worse than him is Mike Israel. You see the same mentality is like I'm going to eat this hyper processed diet, and as long as I hit the macros and it like helps me maintain my my weight to some extent, it doesn't matter. I think there's a lot of elements in there that are missing as far as polyphenol compounds. Vitamin and mineral content, the whether the food exposure is exposing you to high amounts of pesticides or or additives or stuff like this, or gums in the bars that can create issues, fibers for the microbiome, etc. I think there's a whole swath of other things to be can focused on in conjunction with calorie and macro intake.

Theresa Piela  10:20  
Absolutely, and I know we we kind of chatted about this before when we were first going over clips. But even just thinking, most of the people that are listening to this show couldn't get away with a diet like that without having severe reactions or symptoms because it's really not as simple as just nailing your macros when the gut is a mess and when hormones are a mess and when they have a history of sensitivity. So yeah, I'm not sure this even applies, but it highlights the ridiculous nature of more of that culture of you know you just hit your macros and train and you're good to go. You save your time and you're not thinking about all of the like you mentioned, Mike, or all of the deficiencies.

Jay Feldman  11:05  
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Theresa Piela  11:50  
Jay, what stands out to you?

Jay Feldman  11:55  
Yeah, I mean, I agree with what you guys are saying. I think part of the issue is he's not normally taking the perspective that some of the "if it fits your macros" people take, which is this is about body composition, not health. Like he is, I think he views his diet and what he's doing as healthy, and he talks a lot about health. And even though, like, it's definitely not his focus when working with people, which I think is obvious, but considering this diet is healthy, I think is is pretty ridiculous, but I mean it also shows that he believes what he's saying. Which sometimes you wonder with the people who are defending seed oils, defending pesticides, you know, like basically saying like food quality doesn't matter. You sometimes wonder if they still are making choices for higher quality foods, and it definitely doesn't seem to be the case here. Which is, yeah, I mean, it's again, it's at least genuine. And I guess you know he also puts his money where his mouth is, and that you know he's a major investor in David Barz, or he's on the board. I don't remember what you know the exactly the deal is, but then you get into the territory of you know him starting out by saying like this is no no BS like this isn't some influencer video and I don't know what like it seemed like all he meant by that was he's not eating a fake diet that he doesn't eat every day like this is supposed to be a genuine representation of what he eats, but it's just funny that that's how he if that's how he meant it because the way it normally comes across is that like this is not what the content you're describing isn't influenced by like financial interest like you're not getting paid to to make this post you know this is genuinely for the like to support people's health and provide good information, and yet of the first like of his four meals, if we if we count the cereal as a meal, the first one is a are protein bars that he's involved with, like from a company that he's involved with, and then the next two are meals that he says he's never had before. So this is supposed to be like a typical day for him, but it just happens to be meals from a company he's never had before that are that he has this discount code for, and I don't know if they sponsor the video or if it's just like an affiliate thing, but it's like the most influencer BS. Like it is completely that, yeah. It's it's like a really Odd, like kind of like hypocritical framing that we're even coming into this with, not even talking about like the actual details, like like the whole video is an ad, like that is influencer BS. What do you think influencer BS is? I don't know. I thought that was ridiculous, but yeah. Then on top of that is you know you were talking about Mike, like it's just a highly refined, highly processed diet. And again, the framing around it, like he talks about these meals, and he doesn't mention what the ingredients are. Like it's like that's not even that doesn't even matter to him. Like the macros matter to him, the calories matter to him. But beyond that, like he didn't even there was no lip service given to any other aspect of it. Like the fact. That we're talking about fried chicken thighs that are fried in canola oil, you know, and have all the additives and everything. Like, there's not much different from that in KFC. It's maybe like the portion is different, but you can choose, you know, the portion like the size of KFC you get. And I mean, again, that's kind of what I meant when I'm saying, like he's putting his like he's he really genuinely believes the quote unquote health information he's giving out.

If he says that you know if he's someone who believes that you can eat KFC as long as it fits your macros and as long as you still get your fiber in at the end of the day and as long as your calories are okay and you're not quote unquote overeating, then it's fine. I mean, obviously, it's like such a stark contrast from how we think about health. That you know, obviously, Teresa, you've been like laughing a lot because it's just so. It seems so absurd to to look at health that way, but yeah, that's that's what we're seeing. And

Theresa Piela  15:54  
just to it really just contrasts with with the experience of so many people that would maybe love the freedom to eat even just a little bit more flexibly with the foods that their body can tolerate, but you know their gut just doesn't even allow for it. Like we mentioned in so many podcasts, that even just something as healthy as like an apple could be extremely irritating and problematic for someone, and then this just takes it to the extreme where that's not even a part of the framework. It's just what's convenient, what's what's going to fit the macros, and carry on. Yeah, different frame.

Jay Feldman  16:37  
No, for sure, for sure. One thing I forgot to mention too: he made the seed oil comment after talking about his honeycomb cereal, which doesn't have any seed oils in it. Like, there's basically no fat, and there's no seed oils anyway. It, it, which is so weird. It's like you defend seed oils all the time. Are you really not familiar with like what foods have different fats in them, and what the ingredients are in your foods? Like, your fried chicken was fried in seed oils. Do you think that there's a lot of seed oils in your honeycomb cereal, and that's what people are going to be like commenting about? It's it, yeah. I don't know. It's it's it's almost like someone who, again, it just seems that he doesn't pay attention to anything about his food at all, other than the macros, the fiber, and and calories. I think that's really it.

Theresa Piela  17:19  
Unless there's some hidden canola oil in that, like what was it called, the Pioneer Blend protein blend that he used as the milk? No, there

Jay Feldman  17:26  
wasn't.

Theresa Piela  17:27  
Okay, there wasn't. It's actually like

Jay Feldman  17:28  
an A two milk that seemed pretty good.

Theresa Piela  17:31  
Wow. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. Shall we continue and see what else he's eating?

Jay Feldman  17:39  
I think we shall.

Theresa Piela  17:41  
Okay, here we go.

Unknown Speaker  17:44  
All right, finished work for the day, and it's about 8o'clock tonight. So, or actually, about 9o'clock. So I'm gonna make another meal here. I'm gonna do one of these protein bowls. Now I'm sure some of you will say, why aren't you cooking fresh meals? Why are you eating, you know, refrigerated and frozen meals? I'm a dad of two kids. I am an entrepreneur. I am an athlete. I train really hard and I work really hard. And if it came down to cooking fresh meals, I just wouldn't be able to be consistent, so I focus more on consistency than I do on perfection. Okay, I love low-fat popcorn. Love sitting down to watch a show, have a big bowl of popcorn, and you can have, you know, I think the the big bowls I have are like 12 to 15 grams of fiber in a bowl, so really helps me get my fiber in, and it tastes really good. So yeah, sorry I didn't film it, but blame it on my ADHD.

Theresa Piela  18:52  
All right, we've got some fiber, we've got some microwave meals, and then I think we're moving into late night snack territory.

Unknown Speaker  19:00  
And here's the meal where I'm gonna get hate. Little snickety snack. There's an Eminem cookie under there, and some vanilla frozen yogurt. So, yes, I know it is not ideal, but I live in the real world, and I like ice cream. So, I don't beat myself up if I have a bowl each night. I still get plenty of protein in, hit my calories, hit my fiber, get my servings of fruits and vegetables. So I don't want to hear it.

Theresa Piela  19:33  
Okay, and another late night meal. Let's see.

Unknown Speaker  19:40  
And now we're just rounding out the night. About to go to bed, so to fill in mucho protein from chicken breast and a couple of apples to round out my servings of fruits and vegetables, and that's me done for the day.

Theresa Piela  19:57  
Okay. And before we wrap up, I want to bring the conversation back. So, Jay, what were your thoughts there? It's fun watching both of your faces.

Jay Feldman  20:11  
There was one line that stuck out to me a lot, where he said, "If it came down to cooking fresh meals, I wouldn't be able to be consistent. And you know, he's defending the like the pre-prepared meals, which as Mike said, like that doesn't isn't necessarily an issue. I think what's a lot more notable is the way he's thinking about food and how little he cares about certain aspects of it. And there was again something else he mentioned, which was basically he's very busy between you know his business and family, and and I totally get that. And if you're choosing those things over health, that's you know you're allowed to make that decision. But it it doesn't sound like he's really saying that necessarily. Maybe he's saying that like a little bit, but I think he genuinely thinks what he's doing is healthy, kind of despite that. But coming back to this line of if it came down to cooking fresh meals, I wouldn't be able to be consistent. Your meals again, if we just think of like the first few, we're talking fried chicken and protein bars and like a the huevos rancheros, which is like that's fine, and the cereal with the protein shake. Like, be consistent eating what? Like, what are you consistent? What is these pre-prepared? What are these pre-prepared meals helping you be consistent with at all? Like, you can be consistent getting this fried chicken from KFC every day, or from this you know this company that's sponsoring you or that you're affiliated with. I want to like how is that? What box are we checking? What are we accomplishing by being consistent with that? And I think what he probably means is he's consistent in hitting his macros and his calories. And again, it just comes back to that. It's doesn't matter. Like food quality doesn't matter. Pesticides don't matter. Polyphenols don't matter. Food timing doesn't matter. Like most of his calories are seeming to come like after 8p.m. Macro balance within meals doesn't seem to matter. You know he has a. We saw like the chicken meal at night, like 74 grams of protein right before bed, with 40 grams of carbs and seven grams of fat. So a super high protein meal seems like that's not something he's really thinking about. We need to talk about the fact that he's starting off his morning with basically pure protein and like indigestible fat and carbs. So it's like a pure protein start to his day. He's not like there's no consideration of whether getting some carbs in is important at that point or anything like that. Digestibility obviously isn't something he's thinking about. So yeah, I think it just demonstrates the way he's thinking about food, and you know we shouldn't be surprised, I guess, seeing the kind of content he puts out. And you know he's one of those people where it's like, well, the meta analysis. There's no meta analysis showing that you know the carrageenan and that's probably in the chocolate sauce and the broyo, like the vanilla frozen yogurt that he's eating, has like a clear negative effect, or the pesticides, or the fried chicken. You know, so they must not be bad, and as long as it fits his macros, it's fine. Yeah, I don't know. Anyway, I was saying we shouldn't be surprised, but somehow I still am seeing. Yeah.

Theresa Piela  23:19  
Well, I was surprised that he could eat that much protein and that much food late at night. And I don't know what his sleep is like, but I know, especially working with highly sensitive people, that much protein, that much gut irritation, raw apples close to bedtime, they would probably be up the entire night. You know, just feeling sensations in the gut just from the irritation, and the next day would be a total wash because of the sleep deprivation. And I mean, if that's not something he has to think about, he's very lucky. But for most people, that's not the case. And even just being mindful of okay, let's shift the protein earlier in the day and bring down those irritating foods and and swapping out more easily digestible, softer foods closer to bedtime might be you know make a huge difference for someone's health. But again, he's he's literally not thinking about that.

Jay Feldman  24:18  
I did want to note like either he has really good digestion and he's totally able to eat all these foods without an issue, and like he's generally pretty resilient. And those things are possible. And some people are just not very sensitive, and they can get away with a lot. But what I find more often in cases of people like that that I talk with is that when you talk with them a little bit more about their health and what they experience day to day. They just don't recognize symptoms as symptoms. You know, I mean, he's someone who might say, "Well, I have three bowel movements a week, but according to the whatever organization says what's normal, they say that's fine. Like as long as it's three bowel movements a week, you're not constipated. Like that, that sort of perspective. It's like. You know, they they're or their sleep is really interrupted, but they're not viewing that as being related to anything else that they're doing. It's just how they are. So a lot of times we might assume that someone is able to do these things without consequence, but I think more so it's that they don't recognize the consequences. They don't realize that there actually are some really clear symptoms of a suboptimal state of health.

Theresa Piela  25:21  
That's a really good point, and I think it's amazing how many people don't really notice, or they're not drawing drawing the connection points as to what they're eating, how they're living, how they're moving and approaching the day, and what some of these symptoms might be tied to, or and they just don't really-it's not bothering Them enough, Mike. What are your thoughts here?

Mike Fave  25:46  
I think when I listen to him, I feel like he's constantly defending himself. So, oh, you're gonna say this. Oh, you're gonna say that. So I think he kind of already knows that the dietary setup that he's running is there's some questionable elements in it, especially part from people who like are focused on health. Now I don't I don't know I don't really watch Layne's content very much, but I get this assumption that his the the group that he caters to are more like like fitness athletes and stuff like this, which I would argue their sensitivity or their that population is a slightly different than our population, where we're dealing with people who are actually like sick and trying to get better and have serious health issues and recovering from some of these different dietary setups and whatnot. So I think there's some of that there, but I also do agree with you guys that I've had people who say like I remember I worked with a client that how's your digestion? Like oh it's great it's good I don't have any problems with my digestion. And then I looked at his. I'm looking at his his like symptoms on on the the plan I built for him. It's like, but you have gas, bloating, diarrhea, and GERD. He's like, yeah, but I had them my whole life. And I'm like, but that's a problem. He's like, oh, but I thought that was just normal because I never really talked about it with anybody else. I was like, yeah, you shouldn't really have diarrhea every day, and you shouldn't really be bloated all the time, and like a little bit of gas is normal, but you shouldn't really have GERD all the time or large volumes of gas. So I do think a lot of people have symptoms, and then either a they think they're normal because it's been baseline for so long, so perceptual differences aren't adjusted. Or B, they went there to a doctor or somebody, and they told them that it was relatively normal, and there's nothing really to do about it. Or they tried to do some intervention and didn't work, so they just carried on. And the last piece is they don't tie it to things that they're doing. It's surprising how many people that I've worked with where they don't actually tie a particular symptom to the diet, to a supplement, to some adjustment that they've recently made, and they're looking like even now it's worse with AI, where somebody has a particular symptom, and then it is AI tells them it's this particular thing, and then I go back with them and I'm like, okay, what is the actual time that this symptom started that you can remember, what were the things that changed around it? Instead of like getting into this this like very reductionistic hypothesis of what it could be based on like what this symptom could lead to without any other contextual data. So a lot of times it's more like something that they're they're doing. People don't put that connection together, and that's one of the big things is starting to realize what actually affects what what are the relationships. Now, when when I look at Lane's perspective, I think he, in his heart of hearts, based on the him making defensive statements every time he introduces some food that he's bringing into his diet, knows that portions of his dietary structure are suboptimal, and then he backwards rationalizes it that it's okay because he at least hits his macros and his calories because he's a dad, an athlete, an entrepreneur, and whatever else. And I think that's fine if you were going to say, okay, I run a suboptimal system because I because of these things, but don't position it as like there aren't other alternatives in this, and you could make a system that could take just as much time with a much better diet, with much better outcomes than what is actually being structured. There's not a problem with having frozen yogurt. You could take Greek yogurt, blend like have it put get a frozen banana, frozen berries, blend it all up together, and boom, there's your your Greek yogurt. Like it's not that hard to make alternative options with real food that that can actually improve overall health.

The cereal that he ate is basically like corn flour, sugar, flavoring, preservatives, and added vitamins. It would be just as easy to get some oats, and then just you can even put water in the oats and pop them in the microwave. I mean, a microwave is not ideal, but like the food is still not that bad. You can get organic oats. Make yourself a bowl of oats. Put some fruit in there. Put a little cinnamon in there. Put a little bit of maple syrup in there. Put some mac nuts in there, of course, that you you have some mac and nuts at some point in the day. That's a staple. Get that under control. So it's not really that hard. And even in the morning, he could have made a protein shake instead of eating protein shake bars that just have a bunch of other junk in them, so that you have you get the shape of a bar with some type of flavor. So it's it's not really that hard to come up with better solutions. I mean, this is largely what I'm doing a decent portion of time when I'm building dives, people is figuring out how to structure diet that they can do on that they like, that they can do on on a consistent basis, and that hits the outcomes that they're shooting for. And you can do this even on a tight schedule. Even going to a restaurant, you could go to a restaurant and you can get decent options if you choose a good restaurant, and you you choose good things on the menu. Going to restaurant, saying, "Well, at least the rest of the day I was on track, so like that's fine enough. So I'm gonna drink as much as I want right now, and I'm gonna choose like the worst possible meal that I can because everything else is fine and it all still fits in my macros. Like I do, I think that that's just not a great strategy. If it's just about maintaining some type of body composition, and you fundamentally don't care about any other aspect of your health, fine. Do your macros and calories thing. Although there is the potential that long-term accumulation of some of the the problematic products from some of these foods could lead to alterations in different systems, hormonal systems, mitochondrial function, micronutrient deficiencies, etc. That is possible, or putting creating pressure at the liver or damaging the microbiome. Those things are all possible. But if your only thing is just body comp and you just want to eat crap, fine. But if you fundamentally care about your health, you will know your what your macros are roughly, so you know what you're doing, and then you will fill it with good quality foods, which doesn't have to take a long time to prep. The other thing is he's he positions this the the microwavable food that he has. He's like, well, this I know you know why aren't you cooking fresh meals? It's like it's not that you have to cook fresh meals. And a meal like that, if the ingredients is just like whatever vegetables, legumes, chicken, and whatever else was in there, fair game. Like that's not terrible, but the the idea in general is it it wouldn't be that hard to like set his meals up like that all together instead of eating David bars and honey bunch and and honeycomb cereal and whatever else. So I think there's like a an element of rationalization around the dietary structure. That's this is like it's almost like his food choices are for are based on his feelings over facts. That's what I would say I see in this video, and it's not something that's like okay. Here's an here's the objective best options that also fit my schedule, and I really thought about this in a constructive way.

So I have high quality foods while I hit my macros is like as long as I hit my macros, then this is fine and this is what I actually want to eat, and then that and then like trying to justify it from there. It's like just don't justify it. I want to eat these foods. This is what I want to eat. I'm not thinking about these other areas, and I hit my macros. That's that would be a fair assessment of his of the dietary structure for me.

Jay Feldman  33:00  
I think we're missing a big part here. Is it feelings over facts, or is it cash over facts? Because how do you eat in the way that gets you paid the most?

Theresa Piela  33:09  
But this is no influencer BS, so I don't think it's about every day.

Jay Feldman  33:14  
Yeah, yeah, no, I can't speak to

Mike Fave  33:16  
his motivations. I can't speak to his motivations. I'll let everybody make their determinations on that, but for me, when I like this, I just wouldn't. I I don't think that there's a justification of I don't have enough time, therefore I eat bad food. That's not a justification for me at all.

Jay Feldman  33:33  
Well, and especially not for him. I mean, again, this is not like not a suggestion I would have for like typical clients or you know an average person, but you know Layne's making millions of dollars. Like I mean, he could pay a private chef to cook all of his meals, and it could be as healthy as he wanted them to be. They could cook them in advance, and I mean, it's there's no like legitimate excuse for that, other than that he I think legitimately doesn't think it matters for his health, or he wanted he wanted to I don't know show the one day a week when he doesn't do that, so that he can show his sponsored products. I don't know, like there's, but but again, I mean the the more important takeaway for I think somebody who is more so saying I'm super busy, have a family, I have to make sure I get to the gym. You know, I work long hours. Like it's really tough to to eat fresh meals. I mean, that's something I totally understand. And yeah, I think meal prepping is huge, and learning how to do that in a way so that you can make meals that are still really healthy. And to Lane's credit, we did not we didn't include the part in this video where he did his meal prepping with his chicken. You know, he cooked a bunch of chicken breast. Yeah, I mean that's something I talk about a lot. Using the slow cooker or instant pot can help a ton. You can make a really well balanced meal. You know, you could do one in the slow cooker, one in the instant pot. You do that on a Sunday. It takes you know a couple hours of prep, and that. Be your lunches and dinners for the rest of the week. You know that's something I, you know that that is always something that we're butting up against is the real world and time and and all of that. But but yeah, there's ways to work with that if you find it important enough, and if you recognize that those things do impact our health. And again, with the type of people that we work with, there's no question of that, right? It's this is directly affecting sleep and digestion and mood and energy and libido and body composition. So, I think the other disservice with this video is is it's kind of encouraging the idea that that doesn't matter, and it's not important to put a little bit of like thought and and energy toward constructing meals that are still checking all the boxes and are healthy for us. So, yeah, I think it is important to to mention that, and and it doesn't have to be time consuming. Doesn't have to be challenging. There's tons of free recipes, you know, that you can find. You know if you look up slow cooker instant pot recipes, and as long as you're making it, you know, in a balanced way, getting healthy protein that you digest well and carbs that you digest well, and getting some fruits alongside it or vegetables, yeah, it can be simple and straightforward and still really healthy. Yeah, if that's what we orient our ourselves toward,

Theresa Piela  36:22  
I've heard. have two instant pots, and I credit my life to them. I mean, I always have them going. I use them multiple times a day when I'm in sessions, when I'm out running errands, and it's amazing. It's amazing to know that amazing food will be waiting, and I can handle the rest of life, so I think, yeah, excuses. We can make so many excuses, but we can also choose to be a little bit more proactive about things and just learn to plan and freeze things ahead of time so that you can thaw them throughout the week, and it doesn't have to be this complicated thing. And like you both have mentioned, with simple ingredients and a little bit of planning, it's kind of amazing what you can have on hand. Like you can even make these frozen meals yourself and then have them ready to go. Like a lot of moms that are getting ready for a baby to come, they'll do this months in advance so that they can just pull out awesome homemade meals. And there's something really incredible about that. You know, you know the ingredients. You can control the type of oil. You can choose the foods that you digest well, and ways to make it work.

Mike Fave  37:35  
I think there's just in the beginning. There's a little setup time to know what you're going to do, what the structure is going to be. But once once that's done, it is pretty easy. There's you could do the it doesn't you don't even have to do an Insta pot for the week. You could wake up in the morning, pop some rice or some potatoes in the pot, put the meat on top, and then like what I used to do is I used to just cut the the ends off the carrots and put the whole carrots in there. So I put the potatoes, the carrots, the the meat, throw it in there, put the water, and then when I came home from my shift, I would have it would be ready to go. And then the other things that could be super helpful, like just having making sure that I think the number one most important thing is making sure the house is stocked with food, so that you don't have to go out to the grocery store. And now it's even easier than ever because you can like you can order the food to your house instead of having to go get it. Yes, it's a little bit more expensive, but you can do something like that, or you just do like what we do is we do a big grocery haul once a week. We make sure the freezer's full, we make sure that the snacks are full, and we make sure we have enough of everything we need across the entire week, so that we're not at a point where it's like, oh yeah, we're we're we're running out of this, we're running out of that. What are we gonna do? We're scrambling. So make sure you're stock, and then again, the InstaPot stuff you could bat. What we also do is we'll batch cook. So I'll make like two to three pounds of ground beef in one sitting, put in the fridge, and then we'll just eat across it, eat off of it across the the the week, and we'll just take it out, put the meals together. We'll we'll have some ground beef there. We'll we'll have some cooked vegetables there, and then, if she makes different types of pasta or or things like this that she does well with, she'll do that. And then I usually stick more towards fruits. So you just have it made. You have a bunch of stuff there. You could one things we were doing when we were in the U.S. more is we were have we would buy organic rotisserie chickens. So we'd always have the rotisserie chickens there. Super easy. The ingredients weren't too bad. We tend to just take the skin off, which had any of the seasoning, and then we'd eat the chicken. Great protein shakes, collagen protein. Those are super super easy. Good protein source. And then you could also add in other things to the meal. As an example, when I was in ICU, I was doing four protein shakes a day, not because I thought it was optimal or that that's what I wanted to do, but if I'm working a 14 hour shift, there's like there was no time really to prep, or when I was working, there wasn't really much time to eat because you know we're in the middle of COVID. There's no, we weren't getting breaks. There was no breaks, barely even a bathroom break in across the shift. So I have the shake so I could just drink it while I'm charting or I was on the go, and in that circumstance, the only there was 100% juice. Frozen fruit, then I would have dried fruit on the side, and then I would have macadamia nuts and chocolate, of course. And I put the whey protein in the shake, so I was able to hit my calories, hit my macros. I completely covered my micronutrients. I had enough fiber. I had a bunch of polyphenols. The food source I was using were good. And my prep for the whole day for my food was about 30 minutes at night, I would make blend all four shakes up, put them in the. I would put them in my bag and put my bag in the refrigerator. So in the morning, I could just grab my bag and I could go.

I could go to the hospital because we wake up super early, and I'm not. I don't really. I'm not a morning person. 545 is pretty early for me. So we would we would do stuff like this, and we'd make it work, you know. Even if we were both doing 414-hour shifts a week, we were still able to to get everything done. And it was just by those, okay, what's the strategy that we're going to implement? This the strategy we're going to implement. What do we need? Okay, this is what we need. Make sure the house is stocked and run from there. So there's a there's a there's many ways to do it. There's ways to do it when it's not so expensive if money's a constraint. There's ways to do it that's very quick. If time's a constraint, there's ways to do it. If you're not really a great cook, you don't need elaborate recipes. So there's there's so many ways to eat well. There's so many options now that I just don't think that there's there's an excuse to like choose poor quality food because of time, because of energy, or because of money, I like. There's ways to to make it work, no matter what the these constraints are, particularly in our current environment, and in in particularly in the the U.S. and in Western countries.

Theresa Piela  41:33  
Absolutely, I think we're all saying the same thing: just strategy, finding what works, honoring where there might be constraints, and working within it, and it can be another creative process. How can you work within the constraints? We all have limitations. We all have constraints, and it doesn't have to be this black and white type of thinking. It can be a little bit more fluid while honoring your health, because I think again, I say this almost every episode. We are all trying to find ways to feel better, so that life can feel better. We can engage with life in ways that feel more meaningful, and it does. It really does matter what we're putting in our body, and and not just ignoring the basics for convenience, thinking that you know it's not going to catch up with you. Because I wonder, I don't know. I don't think Lane listens to us, but I wonder if this is going to start catching up to him, and he will then be talking about his changes, or maybe he eventually hires a chef. We'll find out. And just to go over his full day of eating, total macros. He closes it or sums it up here in this next clip.

Speaker 1  42:47  
But there's a full day eating for you. You can see it. There's the macros right there. Hit plenty of fiber. Hit my calories. Hit my protein. Happy with that. Again, I know a lot of people will say, well, you know, you're eating some processed foods. You're eating this and that. Yeah, but you know, okay. But I'm really consistent. I get enough fiber in. I get my fruits and vegetables in, and I get enough protein in. And that's the really big stuff right there. And I just focus on executing that every single day. And I do. And I think that's why I'm still in pretty good shape at 44, and I think people get caught up too much in worrying about the stuff that doesn't matter that much.

Theresa Piela  43:30  
Okay, well at least he's he's transparent. He says he says exactly what his frame is, and that makes a lot of sense given how he's living his life. There's no gap. It's totally lined up. So, well, yeah. There's the

Jay Feldman  43:45  
consistency. I'm very

Mike Fave  43:47  
consistent at eating processed foods. So I do a really good job at eating processed foods. I get an apple in there, and I add enough protein, and maybe I get a bunch of fiber, and it's isolated fibers. But I'm consistent. That's that's the most important

Speaker 2  44:01  
thing. Oh

Jay Feldman  44:04  
man, I did. By the way, just if you guys are curious, I just wanted to compare his fried chicken to KFC fried chicken. So the original

Theresa Piela  44:11  
recipe, I do want to know.

Jay Feldman  44:14  
For KFC, it's 39 grams of protein, 21 grams of fat, and 11 grams of carbs. So compared to his fried chicken, the KFC is actually higher in protein. So maybe in the next video, if he does watch this, he'll switch that one out for his KFC.

Speaker 3  44:29  
Yeah,

Jay Feldman  44:29  
for KFC for his whatever it was, his third meal. I would

Mike Fave  44:34  
still argue his diet was better than Doctor Boz's Jimmy John's one meal a day. Jimmy John's.

Speaker 4  44:40  
Ooh,

Theresa Piela  44:41  
in terms of less stressful, probably. Yeah,

Jay Feldman  44:44  
I would agree. I would agree.

Mike Fave  44:47  
Yeah, like what it was was a Qdoba or Jimmy John's at the end of the day. That was her. That was her meal. Her

Jay Feldman  44:53  
only meal.

Mike Fave  44:54  
Yeah. If she was hungry

Jay Feldman  44:55  
during the day, she would drink water. She of course sardines, or she would have

Mike Fave  44:58  
sardines. The sardine. Sardines aren't bad. That's not that bad. But the one meal day Jimmy John's that's take that takes the cake out of these two for me.

Jay Feldman  45:09  
I'm surprised she hasn't started that one. The Jimmy John's Omad, JJ Omad.

Theresa Piela  45:13  
I think that's coming. I thought I saw some T-shirts, some swag circulating the internet.

Mike Fave  45:20  
Yeah, it's always interesting what the actual, what the the health influencers' diets are,

Theresa Piela  45:27  
and that's I'm glad that you said that, Mike, because I think that's a good reminder. We hold these people on pedestals as if they they've figured something out. They know the secrets to health and longevity and autophagy. They actually might just have pretty resilient bodies that are able to get away with assault, self-assault, and they are not modeling anything close to what actually creates health, cellular health and healing. And so, yeah, it's good. It's good to take everything you see here, and and question, and to know that you don't need to compare yourself to what these influences, non non influencers, I should say. This is no influencer BS right here. But yeah, to not compare yourself to these to these celebrity fitness coaches and trusting your body, doing what works for you, and I love seeing the comments that people leave on these videos because it seems like that's people can see through it. You know, they're like especially on Lane's video, all of the comments were talking about how this is the most classic influencer video There is some even speculating that it was intentional. We'll not we'll never know.

Jay Feldman  46:47  
Yeah, some people were thinking he was like being sarcastic.

Mike Fave  46:49  
Yeah,

Speaker 5  46:49  
I thought

Theresa Piela  46:51  
so until until he actually ate it. So, any closing thoughts before we shift over to our success story win, Mike?

Jay Feldman  47:01  
Well, I did want to mention Teresa. You were just talking about the people getting away with it, like you know these influencers who are like doing fine despite what they're doing. But I did want to mention as well, you know, we were talking about it earlier that maybe for some people they just don't recognize what symptoms are. The other thing too is you know a lot of sometimes it ends up coming out later, but sometimes it doesn't. Like, there's a lot of health influencers who are not feeling good or dealing with a lot of issues that they aren't always forthright about. So it's something to always be aware of too. Like you don't really know what's going on with somebody.

Theresa Piela  47:33  
Yep, absolutely. Yeah, just a good a good reminder not to judge, not to compare. Everyone's dealing with something to some degree, and yeah, it doesn't have to be a competition or a time to to judge someone for maybe obscuring the truth a little bit. Like we're all we're all learning, we're all undergoing our own processes, but hopefully, I feel like part of our intention with this podcast is to really share what works, and then to encourage people to experiment, like not to even take our word blindly. Okay, let's close out the show with a success story, a little win.

Jay Feldman  48:17  
I did want to say for anybody who's interested in what we eat, we did just do an episode on that a couple episodes back, going through each of our diets, you know, different iterations of our perspective, which I think might would yeah be an interesting contrast after seeing Lane's. So if anyone is interested in that and didn't see the other episode, make sure to check that out.

Theresa Piela  48:34  
And yeah, this is oh yeah, Mike.

Mike Fave  48:38  
I just want to say like this is like Lane's context of working out of of having a decent like a heavy work schedule and having a family, like that's at least for me and I know I I know for you Jay and also for you Teresa but all of us are working I'm working more than full time hours every single week I have a family and I do train four to five times a week as well. So the dietary structure that we that we are running in those videos is in the similar context. It's not like you know surfing every morning and then like taking a you know just chilling out across the rest of the day and making some content. It's like working with clients seven days a week and then you know researching and building plans and and set building content and structuring out videos in the mornings and doing calls all night long. So it's like it's in that context, and you could still eat quite well, and and optimize your health. It is definitely possible. And I've personally run this while working over 80 to 90 hours a week, while I was doing this as well as working in the hospital, and I still was able to eat well. So for me, when I hear Lane stuff, it's a weak excuse, and not not because not to to say that it's like oh we're better than him, but more so I it's you're able. I know person personally firsthand you're able to do it in in difficult context. Able to set up the diet and eat well in difficult contexts. I want to preface that here because it it I don't I don't you think that that's an excuse to to eat poor quality foods, and even for my clients, like I wouldn't I'm not going to let people get away with that either. It's like there's definitely better options that, and I'll help you figure out those better options, but I don't think that that justifies some some of those choices,

Theresa Piela  50:22  
absolutely, Mike. And I would add that really honing in on diet and getting something that we can fall back on allows us to do our work better. Like I wouldn't be able to cut corners with my diet and still show up as effectively and as focused as energized. Like it is what sets up the day, so it's kind of a non-negotiable. Yep, agreed. Yeah, okay. Success story win from Metapod. They said very true. I went from four-year carnivore to animal-based, and my craving disappeared completely. Eating fruits made me crave junk foods less. On keto carnivore, my cravings for carbs was unreal. Constantly binge watching food videos. Back to that food noise. I completely stopped binge watching on animal based. Who knew feeding your body proper fuel, carbs, and eating fruits or 100% fruit juice can eliminate cravings. Who knew? When you actually feed the cell, it stops. It stops acting like a werewolf.

Mike Fave  51:36  
That's definitely going to be a quote for the for the ages.

Theresa Piela  51:40  
I mean, I think we can all relate to that, right? In a state of starvation or restriction, or even back to that time restricted eating, where we felt ravenous, we felt crazy, we felt like our our body was maybe working against us, only to then step into more of a bioenergetic understanding and realizing our bodies were wisely adapting and telling us that they were hungry, that they needed more, that they were lacking, and like this commenter shared, when we start to give the body what it needs, things quiet down, and there's a peacefulness and a stability that comes with that. You know, even just thinking of like a lot of the people might struggle with anxiety and mood disorders, so much of that could be diet based, and you know, timing and ingredients and gums and gut irritants, and it doesn't have to be as complicated as this like magical healing diet. It could be, can we bring it back to basics? And I'm so glad that this person found that just including some of the basic things like carbs, fruits, juice really restored a sense of wholeness and balance to their system.

Jay Feldman  52:51  
Yeah, for sure. And I mean, I think something else that's worth especially noting here that we didn't talk about throughout this video, but the quality and types of foods and macros that we're eating has a huge can have a huge effect on satiety and reducing the cravings. It's something that was like really apparent when we were looking at Dr. Boz's, which he ate in a day. Where it was like, obviously you're starving and hungry, and then you're trying to drink water to quench it, and you know you're having all the espresso, and you know, then you'll cave in and have a can of sardines. And I'm wondering here too with Lane if that's why you really, you know, he was talking about the the popcorn. We didn't really talk about that, but it's like really filling. But the calories are really low, and obviously he's getting a huge amount of protein, way more than he needs physiologically, way more than helps as far as muscle building, but it's I think probably largely because of needing to induce satiety when the food he's eating is not actually being utilized well, and so I'm sure he deals with chronic hunger. We were talking earlier about some other like low carb carnivore influencers, where some of the comments they make make it sound like you know their like their way of eating is to prevent them from binging or you know, feeling out of control with food, and the reality is that so much of that is the result of not getting what your body is actually needing, not utilizing the fuel properly, and we have to obviously care beyond not you know care about things more than just macros in order to resolve that. But anyway, great to hear that for this person, they are saying that that's a lot better, and I think a lot of people, you know, there's like the the carnivore willpower runs out for for most people at some point because every cell in their body is is trying to tell them to eat more.

Mike Fave  54:36  
I also like that they pointed out specifically that the carbs were fruits and 100 fruit juice, because I think a binging problem comes in with also specific types of foods, and that what happens in these communities it gets called carbs. You see this in the comment section. Yeah, you'll make I'll make a video and I'll discuss about like the benefits of carbohydrates and sugars and stuff like this, and somebody will come on. Oh yeah, well. There's no study that supports eating donuts as an as like beneficial for health and like not talking about donuts was pretty clear about it not being donuts, cookies, etc. Talking about eating potatoes, I'm talking about eating sweet potatoes, oats. Talking about eating whole fruits, these types of things. This is what I'm discussing when we're talking about carb sources. When you use those sources, you won't you won't have this excessive drive to eat this hyper palatability effect compared to if you had the donut. the The effects are very different. I mean, even for me, it's the same thing. I can when I have fruit, I have dried fruit, I have fresh fruit, I'll have frozen fruit. I put it in with juice to make a shake. There's a satiety point. There's only so much that you're gonna have. You start opening up, and you start eating cookies. You start eating. You start eating sour patch stuff like this. The the the satiety signal is not the same. So I think the selection of the foods is very important, and I think that they they that is one of the the big things here. If you switch the diet over and you you go back to some of these other modern like heavily processed or hyper processed foods, then you used to can start to run into some of the issues with satiety and yeah with overall satiety for those foods and then overeating in general. Whereas when you use these whole some of these these better food sources that are nutrient dense, high in polyphenols, have an adequate fiber intake, all of this type of stuff, the impact on the system is is significantly different. I think that's an important distinction for anybody coming out of carnivore that the recommendation is not go back to whatever the standard American diet that you were doing before. The recommendation is still have high quality meat, still have high quality seafood, eggs, etc. High quality dairy sources, but incorporate some of the the high quality carb sources that pair well with all those foods and that pair well for health. And you're going to maybe hard pressed to find studies that show negative impacts on the foods that I just mentioned as per carb sources. There's they're pretty much pretty clear, even in states where people have metabolic dysfunction, you even see type two diabetics that these foods actually either have a null effect, where they don't worsen it, or they actually improve overall insulin sensitivity, blood sugar regulation, etc. So that I think that's a huge piece to consider as well as which food sources are you using, which ties well in with Lane's video because yeah, Lane may say it's not a big deal if you hit your macros that you have your your honeycomb cereal and that you have your your David bars in the morning and I would say that it is a big deal and you should use better options especially if you're coming off of one of those like one of like a diet like carnivore and you've struggled with controlling your intake of foods in the past.

Theresa Piela  57:41  
Yeah, your body deserves it. Your body deserves the good stuff. It is your home after all, and hopefully it lasts a long time. Yeah. All right, we have talked enough, Mike. Where can people find you?

Mike Fave  57:54  
They can find me at my website, mikefave.com, as well as on my YouTube channel, Mikefave.

Theresa Piela  57:59  
Awesome, Jay. What about you?

Jay Feldman  58:02  
My website is jfeldmanwellness.com. Lots of free resources and content there, and otherwise on social media at jfeldmanwellness or at jf wellness.

Theresa Piela  58:12  
Awesome! You can find me@teresapiella.com, at teresapiella on Instagram, and my app will be up and running in the next couple of weeks, hopefully end of August. Thanks for tuning in today. As always, such a fun show, and we will see you for the next one. Tata for now.